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Former Union Leaders Says Taveras Misleading Public

Tuesday, March 12, 2013

 

Stephen Day says Providence Mayor Angel Taveras is "pulling the wool over the public's eyes" with the real details of the city's pension reform deal.

Moments after Superior Court Judge Sarah Taft-Carter ruled that Providence’s pension reform deal with active police members, active firefighters and retirees was a "fair, adequate and reasonable settlement," Providence Mayor Angel Taveras applauded the decision as “an important milestone on the road to putting Rhode Island’s capital city on a fiscally sustainable path.”

But not everyone was pleased with the ruling.

At least one retiree at the center of the opposition to the deal says the agreement is further proof that Taveras is “pulling the wool over the public’s eyes” with the true details of the reform package and, he says, the city can expect anywhere from 50-100 retirees to opt-out of the deal and continue fighting the matter in court.

“This was a dirty, dirty attempt to hoodwink the public and hoodwink the people and so far success is on their side,” retired firefighter Stephen T. Day said last night.

The Ruling

Monday’s ruling by Taft-Carter, in effect, says that the city can legally move forward with its plan that will cap all pensions for active and retired police and firefighters, suspend cost-of-living adjustments (COLAs) for a decade, move retirees to Medicare and eliminate five and six-percent compounded COLAs for good.

The plan came following a nearly two-year long battle by Taveras to pull the city of Providence out of fiscal ruin and chop away at the $110 structural deficit he inherited upon taking office.

Taveras called the agreement a “a laudable example for other municipalities to follow,” but retirees still have until the end of the month to opt-out of the agreement and contest the matter in a separate lawsuit against the city.

According to Day, however, many may not be able to afford to do anything but agree to the changes.

“It comes down to how much can you afford to fight?,” he said. “If you don’t have thousands of dollars to fight the fight and the city knows a lot of retirees don’t have that kind of money, it’s an economic wedge. It’s a very, very unfair situation that’s been put upon these retirees.”

Day says that all Taft-Carter’s ruling did was allow the possibility for retirees to take the deal and says “everyone knows it’s not fair.”

“There’s two definitions of fair and reasonable, the definition of fair and reasonable to the layman and what we’re talking about,” he saud. “Everybody’s said it’s not fair, from the judge to the mayor himself. They’re saying it’s not fair but we’re going to do it. The fair and reasonable we’re talking about is a standard that says if somebody else wants to do this, wants to sign off, it’s fair for them to do so.

That’s why there’s an opt-out provision. It’s not fair to take someone’s money, it’s not fair to take someone’s COLA that they paid into and everybody agrees with that. It’s a cute play on words that this isn’t fair.”

A Global Issue

Day’s objection to the deal, he says, is the nature by which it was agreed to.

The former firefighter union leader says that retirees and active police and firefighters all voted on the measures as a “global settlement” despite, what he calls, an unfair impact the deal would have on those no longer in service.

Day says that the vast majority, what he calls “95 percent”, of active police members and active firefighters are not currently eligible to retire in the next 10 years and, as such, won’t feel the true effect of the COLA freeze in their pensions.

Further, he argues, having active members have a say on whether or not all retirees move to Medicare is unfair because, following a federal law change passed in 1986, all current members have been paying into that system anyway.

“Active police, active fire, they’re already going there by contract,” he said. “Anybody hired after April 1986 has been paying into Medicare so all of the retirees like myself who were hired in 1980, 1979, who retired now, half of them never paid into Medicare or paid it enough.”

Day says that, because of this, the active police and firefighters were voting on an issue that “doesn’t affect them.

“They were already going to Medicare so by having a global vote and letting the active people vote, unless they were walking out the door in 2025 and they take a 10-year freeze in 2025-2035, that’s not a fair assessment,” he said. “I still believe it’s only public safety retirees who are taking it on the chin here.”

Day says he objects to how the pension reform package has been portrayed publicly.

“Taveras talks to the press and says the active firefighters have come to the table and the active police have voted on the active settlement,” he said. “To me, it’s just pulling the wool over the public’s eyes because that’s not fair. The public thinks they voted fair but they voted to hurt the retirees.”

A Personal Decision

Day says he hasn’t made up his mind whether or not he is going to opt out and believes many retirees are in the same boat.

“I’ve got to do what I’ve got to do,” he said. “I haven’t made that total decision yet but I have to lean toward that now. I’m leaning that way but I haven’t made that decision and there are probably 50-60-70 people who feel exactly like I do and then there’s another probably 500-800 people who feel screwed but what are they going to do? They’ve been unfairly targeted and now they’ve just got to bear it.”

Day estimates that there will be “50-100” opt-outs altogether.

“The others are too afraid to do anything,” he said. “They’re afraid but they’re going to take the deal and they’re going to grumble about it for the rest of their lives. Some people are going to be hurt by this very badly.”

In the meantime, Day says, he feels it’s a shame the city “broke” its deal with its retirees.

“They’re breaking every deal they’ve ever made,” he said. “They’re breaking consent agreements, they’re breaking settlements, they’re breaking injunctions … I don’t trust the city one bit. One bit.”

Representatives for the city of Providence to repeated requests for comment for this story.

 

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Odd Job

Stephen T. Day is 57. Wonder how old he was when he retired. in his 40's I bet.

frank bentley

many call Steve Day "crazy" but he's the crazy w/thr proper & correct info..btw: Angel stay put..your scam & mirrors can't hide your true colors

Gov- stench

Typical government worker with the sour grapes. Suck it up - your overpaid already.

THOMAS Murray

Waiting For Ken Block's Report to see who is really Pulling The Wool.

Mike Govern

Yeah--it's Tavaras and the taxpayers fault. After all, those compounding 6% COLAs were "fair," as was the police officers packing in the overtime their last year to boost retirement checks.... Pay up!

robert benson

Is it fair that these pensions bankrupt our cities and towns? Is it fair that public employee unions control our General Assembly by using their union dues to elect pro-labor politicians? Is it fair that folks in the private sector can only dream about compounded COLAs, and that they must foot the bill for these public employee pensions? No, it isn't fair at all. That's what's not fair.

Mr. Day, if you fight this in court and win, Providence will go bankrupt. Then you may wind up getting an even smaller pension or no pension at all. Good ahead. Reject this deal, and then see what happens.

The only thing that is not fair is that your union bosses promised you this great pension without ever looking down the road to see if it could be financed. That is unfair. Blame them for this, but don't expect the taxpayer to bail you out!

Gary Arnold

Its as clear as Day, the unions have had too much for too long and now reality has kicked in. Broke is where we are heading if nothing is done, what is fair about that? Untruthful is a union pass word in all contracts.

Joseph Reynolds

Mr.Day: What were your total out-of-pocket contributions to your
retirement plan when you retired...I'm guessing in your early forties?

James Hackett

Mr. Day's argument strikes me as intellectually dishonest. We all know that one thing the unions have been able to do is to get elected those pliant politicians to do their bidding. As well, we've all known for years that this lack of funding was a festering problem. Heck, the union sued to get the city to fund the pensions, and lost. The question I have is why didn't they get elected those people who would fund the pensions? The answer lies in understanding that to properly fund those pension each year would not have allowed for the generous pay and benefits each year as well. It was a calculated decision to get both, figuring in the end, the taxpayers would just have to pony up.

Mark St. Pierre

Maybe if cities and towns funded their pensions like they were suppose to, they wouldn't be in this fix. Don't blame the worker that paid his contribution. Blame the horsesh-- politicians that didn't do their jobs rights. Yeah, the same a-holes we keep re-electing.

John Cosmas

I'm sorry, but in this era of Providence struggling with its budget, NO ONE should be receiving 5 or 6% annual compounded COLAS for NOT working. I work in the private sector and do you know what my annual raises are? Some years 1%, some years 1.5 %, and some years a whopping 2%! And I'm a full time worker. Not a "retiree' in his forties or fifties. The days of the free lunch are over. While I have my own issues with Mayor Taveras, on this one I agree with him completely. We all need to make some sort of sacrifice.

Donna Day

TAVERAS TWISTED TRUTH
You have no idea what you are talking about. If I broke into your house and stole anything from you, at candlestick or even a more expensive item from you safe you would say I violated you and stole from you. If I was caught by police I would spend years in jail as I should. You would feel violated as you should. It Violates the RI and United States Constitution and you all know I am right. If it makes you happy to see other older retirees suffer and now will be faced with HEAT or EAT? Medicine or rent?

Credit ratings will be destroyed further eroding our lives. I am sure if you think stealing $800.00 from me and 40 other retirees is fair and reasonable to give one sick hack at city hall a $25,000.00 raise with our money you really are just warped and miserable and deserve whatever bad Karma comes your way. Japan elevates and respects its elderly;
Providence just screwed the men, women and spouses of those who put their life on the line every day. I know that because my brother Michael J. Day at 49 lost his life in the line of duty never to see one day of a pension. Again you sick and bitter people probably enjoy knowing not one dime of your taxes will pay for his pension. Michael left a wife and four beautiful children. I retired because that liar and thief “David Lies Cicilline” eliminated my position because I did not support him in his bid to STEAL from our City and your money as he ran for Mayor. My little boy was only 3 and my daughter 7, when I was forced to retire. “DON’T’ CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA” but do “realize an injustice when you see one” or all of our children will suffer and live in a crueler world.
I work every day to take care of my children and my wife.
Stephen T. Day

michael riley

This is further proof that these "contracts and promises " are no more written in stone than were the bankruptcy laws for bondholders at GM.
These promises can and will be changed. Further, nearly every citizen and town should realize by now that we should not be in the business of guaranteeing retirements for anyone.period.
END DEFINED BENEFITS and corruption in this state will come to a screeching halt.

Donna Day

City Council still spending on Renovatios at City Hall over $200,000.00

parking perks of $4,000.00 for 31 employees making over $1,000,000.00

see Jim T Channel 10 I team report

City council cell phoes calling Dominican Republic on you taxes

But you rather cry about honest hard working people. hurt elderly retirees and flim flam them out of vested benefits.

You cried alot when you were a baby too!

You probably still root for the neighborhood BULLY as you are of that mindset, OR YOU DO TAVERAS BULLLIED AND LIED TO RETIREES AND YOU AS WELL

Stephen T. Day

Stephen T. Day

Steve Jones

This is absolutely ridiculous. The only reason this has gone to the courts is that the unions have refused to sit down and negotiate in good faith with Tavares and other politicians. I understand that the work they did had risks, that they paid into the system and were promised certain things by their leadership but things have changed for everyone. The party is over. They can either negotiate, take what the courts will give them or bankrupt the city and get even less like they did in Central Falls. Apparently Day's parents didn't teach him that life is not always fair. I got taught that lesson when I was four years old. You think by age 57 he would have figured it out.

Donna Day

BROWN UNIVERSITY MADE 128 MILLION DOLLARS IN PROFIT

ON THEIR ONE BILLION DOLLAR NON-PROFIT BUSINESS

BROWN WAS BUILT ON SLAVERY MONEY AND ILL PROFITS

BROWN UNIVERSITY HAS A NEW GROUP TO MISTREAT PROVIDENCE ELDERLY RETIREES

MY MOTHER AND FATHER TAUGHT ME VERY WELL,

THEY SAID STAY AWAY FROM LOSERS, BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER

GLAD WE NEVER MET

STEPHEN T. DAY

Carol DeFeciani

Keep drinking the Taveras kool-ade, all you Angel lovers. FYI - I am not affiliated with any union. I just see how No-Angel and the City Council continue to steal from the taxpaying working people. The waste of $ at City Hall is shameful. Yeah - keep smoking that Angel crack y'all.

JOJO MONKEY

Everyone is misleading everyone.. Taveras and Cicilline are as full of crap as the unions are!. We the tax paying private sector are being drained so political hacks and union leaders keep power and retain control over a corrupt system that continues to bleed this state dry.
Soon there will be no one left to pay the bills and y'all be out a job!

Donna Day

MARK

MY FACTS ARE IRONCLAD AND ACCURATE IF YOU MEAN JONES AND THE OTHERS

WHO HAVE NO CLUE..

CAROL IS RIGHT ON MORE KOOL AID FOR THE KIDDIES WHO DRINK IN THE LIES AND HALF TRUTHS OF TAVERAS

WE NEED A GOVERNOR WHO TELLS THE TRUTH NOT AND ELDERLY ABUSER
ATTACKING WIDOWS, SPOUSES AND OLD MEN IN THEIR 80's

BULLY IS A BULLY AT ANY AGE USING

Donna Day

USING CITY DOLLARS fFOR HIS OWN GAIN

WAIT AND SEE IT IS ONLY BEGINNING

AARP AND THE ELDERLY VOTE I AN COMMITTED TO GETTING THE TRUTH OUT ABOUT TAVERAS AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY

WATCH FOR MORE ABUSE OF CITY TAX DOLARS THIS GUY PAUL HAS HIS FACTS AND I CHALLANGE ANY ONE OF YOU TO DISPROVR ANY FACT I PUBLISH ON THIS SITE OR OTHERS

GO TO GUIDE STAR WEB SITE AND SEE THE TAX FORM 990's FROM BROWN AND EVERY OTHER NONPROFIT

THESE ARE LEGAL DOCUMENTS NOT MY OPINION

MORE KOOL AID FOR THE KIDS

TAVARES AND CICILLINE DESERVE EACH OTHER

JUST KEEP YOUR HANDS OUT OF MY FAMILY's VESTED BENEFITS

STEPHEN T. DAY

Matt Cavanagh

Just wanted to point out that there were about 3,000 (that's three thousand!!!) applicants for the "up to 50" job openings in the Providence Fire Department last summer.

Donna Day

MY POINT EXACTLY EACH ONE WILL HAVE 25 YEARS TO RETIREMENT

NO CUTS

BUT IT TAKES A SPECIAL PERSON TO BE A FIREFIGHTER

THERE ARE A GIFT TO SOCIETY NOT A DRAIN

Odd Job

no, firefighters, at least in this state are arrogant mobsters with hoses. if driving the fire truck to shaws for groceries isn't a big 'screw you' to anybody watching i don't know what is.

Gary Arnold

You know what, I don't think a FF or PO of Teacher is anything but a good person just like all of the family people that work to make their company or institution a better and stronger place. Many companies save the world with products they make or deploy in places that most people would not want to go. The special people, well the ones I think of are the men and women that are in our armed forces. Talk about not being recognized or helped just a little when they get on the job injuries. The world is a better place because of these real hero's.
FF or any union job is just that a job that is expected to be performed when that job calls for it. You don't hear people going to work saying how life threatening it is to drive in RI or that 87 people are killed each day in the USA by guns making it a danger to even go outside vs. hang out in a fire house or police station.
Get real, we are all hero's.

Matt Cavanagh

Obviously there are many able bodied people willing to do the job of a firefighter. So, if there are so many willing to do the job, just why do we have to pay them so much? That whole hero thing is a charade created to justify overpaying a bunch who would never make that kind of money in another job. At the same time, if I was a firefighter, I'd be upset with my union leaders that lied to me and lead me to believe this kind of nonsense could go on forever. Face it, the gig is up.

Wuggly Ump

@ Odd Job Why are you taking Firefighters shopping as a screw you? As far as I know they are dispatched by radio. I always took my landscaping truck to Burger King.

@ Matt Cavanagh How many would be interested in doing any job right now for less than what a current employee is getting? Including yours?

I do think some of the COLA's are out of line, but I blame that on Politicians, remember they agreed to it. I can go ask a client for a million bucks to do a job that doesn't mean they will agree to it. Of course if they do, and I get them to sign on the dotted line, I expect to get paid. Don't you?

All those saying the Firefighters and Police are overpaid, no one is stopping you from taking the test. Go fill out the application. It just sounds like jealousy.

Donna Day

Wuggly got it right

THANK YOU

FIRES IN FREEZING WEATHER IS NO PICNIC

FIRES IN 95DEgree weather is another killer

Stick to facts not fluff

City used the 6% and 5% like a sledge hammer misrepresenting it's value
out of the 18 Million they want to save the TOTAL AMOUNT ATTRIBUTED TO THE 6% and 5% COLA is 3.75 Million that leaves 14.25 Million on the 3% COLA's

TAVERAS LIES LIKE CICILLINE AND USED IT AS SMOKE AND MIRRORS

A CON MAN WITH THE SHELL GAME WHICH SHELL IS THE ROCK UNDER??

THANK YOU WUGGLY

Stephen T. Day

Donna Day

STAY TUNED FOR THE TAVERAS TORNADO OF FINANCES

BROWN UNIVERSITY TOOK HIM TO THE CLEANERS AY EVERBODY ELSE'S EXPENSE

TAXPAYERS
FIREFIGHTERS
POLICE
LABORERS
TEACHERS
ELDERLY
INNER CITY KIDS

KING GEORGE IS DEAD SO SHOULD THE MONEY MAKING TAX STATUS

CHECK OUT THE 990'S FOR BROWN UNIVERSITY

OVER 125 MILLION DOLLARS IN PROFIT FOR THE JOHN BROWN SLAVE TRADERS

ELDERLY RETIREES THE NEW INDENTURED SERVENTS OF BROWN

SAD CHAPTER IN PROVIDENCE HISTORY WITH A WEAK LEADER

Donna Day

STAY TUNED FOR THE TAVERAS TORNADO OF FINANCES

PLease do not take my word for this

GO TO GUIDESTAR WEB SITE REPORTS ON ALL NON-PROFITS AND THEIR

FEDERAL TAX FORMS

FACTS NOT FLUFF

MARK IS RIGHT ON WITH THE KOOL AID AND BROWNIES

Donna Day

ODD JOB

I THINK I HAVE A FEW ODD JOBS THAT COULD HELP YOU

READ BROWN'S 990 FORMS AT GUIDESTAR WEB SITE

REAL EYE OPENERS,

PLEASE ORGANIZE THE STUDENTS WITH A SOCIAL CONSCIENCE

AND YOU WON'T DRINK ANY MORE KOOL AID

Donna Day

ODD JOB

I THINK I HAVE A FEW ODD JOBS THAT COULD HELP YOU

READ BROWN'S 990 FORMS AT GUIDESTAR WEB SITE

REAL EYE OPENERS,

PLEASE ORGANIZE THE STUDENTS WITH A SOCIAL CONSCIENCE

AND YOU WON'T DRINK ANY MORE KOOL AID

Odd Job

Donna, now you want to go after the major bright spot in this town (Brown) again to keep your colas a' flowing?

You and your thugs coming to our houses next to raid our coin jars and dig thru our sofa cushions to extract after last penny you can get to keep that gravy train a' rolling?

You're not immoral, you're amoral.

frank bentley

Carol..where was you? witness protection?

Donna Day

Odd Job

"THOSE WHO DO NOT REMEMBER THEIR HISTORY ARE CONDEMNED TO REPEAT THAT

HISTORY"

BROWN's HISTORY WAS BUILT BY SLAVE TRADE MONEY

CHECK IT OUT

Donna Day

INDENTURED SLAVES ARE MISTREATED AND ARE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED

BY THE BIG LAND OWNERS

NON-PROFITS OWN OVER 50% of THE PROPERTY IN PROVIDENCE

THEY AND THEY ALONE ARE FORCING HIGHER TAXES ON FEWER AND FEWER HOME

OWNERS

DO THE MATH NOT THE opinions

Stephen T. Day

Donna Day

INDENTURED SLAVES ARE MISTREATED AND ARE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED

BY THE BIG LAND OWNERS

NON-PROFITS OWN OVER 50% of THE PROPERTY IN PROVIDENCE

THEY AND THEY ALONE ARE FORCING HIGHER TAXES ON FEWER AND FEWER HOME

OWNERS

DO THE MATH NOT THE opinions

Stephen T. Day

Donna Day

Odd Job

If BROWN AND ALL THE NON PROFITS BUY UP MORE AND MORE OF PROVIDENCE

PROPERTY, WHO WILL PAY THE TAXES FOR ALL THE SERVICES??????

HELLO?

DO THE MATH it CANNOT CONTINUE, IT IS UNSUSTAINABLE.

Matt Cavanagh

Well now, since you understand the concept of "unsustainable" start applying the principle elsewhere. You do the math! We've done it, which is why you're in such a tizzy!

Donna Day

MATT STOP USING
BROWN UNIVERSITY MATH
Matt you really need a new calculator. Or stop using disappearing ink.
OR IS TAVERAS YOUR COUSIN? I invite you to sit down with the real numbers, and we can go over the entire math equation. You have not done the math. All you have done is taken Taveras word on his math. Not his strong suit. He really does not have one. I do not think you will take me up on my invitation to look at all the waste and fraud and TAVERAS & CITY COUNCIL ABUSE OF TAX DOLLARS. YOU HAVE NOT DONE THE MATH.

Donna Day

YOU HAVE NOT DONE THE MATH.
COUNCIL PRESIDENT GOT A $500,000.00 EDF LOAN AND WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAME IN FOR THE AUDIT FOUND ONLY $12,000.00 had been PAID BACK TO CITY. FED’S ISSUED A SCATHING REPORT ON THAT ABUSE. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT GET THE REPORT FROM HUD.
SAME COUNCILMAN CALLING FOR COLA CUTS IN MY CONTRACT
SIT DOWN AND REVIEW IT ALL NOT JUST COLA’s
I TOOK A COST OF LIVING AND GAVE UP PAY RAISES AND OTHER MONETARY BENEFITS. AS WELL AS 10% of my PAY EVERY WEEK FOR OVER 23 YEARS.

Donna Day

YOU HAVE NOT DONE THE MATH.
COUNCIL PRESIDENT GOT A $500,000.00 EDF LOAN AND WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAME IN FOR THE AUDIT FOUND ONLY $12,000.00 had been PAID BACK TO CITY. FED’S ISSUED A SCATHING REPORT ON THAT ABUSE. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT GET THE REPORT FROM HUD.
SAME COUNCILMAN CALLING FOR COLA CUTS IN MY CONTRACT
SIT DOWN AND REVIEW IT ALL NOT JUST COLA’s
I TOOK A COST OF LIVING AND GAVE UP PAY RAISES AND OTHER MONETARY BENEFITS. AS WELL AS 10% of my PAY EVERY WEEK FOR OVER 23 YEARS.

Donna Day

IF LIKE TAVERAS YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED WITH THE FACTS AND ALREADY HAVE YOUR MIND MADE UP THEN YOU ARE THE ONE WHO
IS STILL THE ONE WHO HAS TO DO THE MATH.
DO NOT TALK THE TALK WITH BS
YOU HAVE DONE NO MATH

Matt Cavanagh

What are you on?

Donna Day

MATT

THE TRUTH

YOU SHOULD TRY IT

THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE

Donna Day

Mark

you a one of the intelligent commentators

who sees the connection between dishonest POLITICANS and FRAUD

WASTE and ABUSE of FUNDS hurting taxpayers and loyal EMPLOYEES noe

RETIRED.

TAVERAS and CICILLINE are not HONEST PEOPLE

Donna Day

Mark

you a one of the intelligent commentators

who sees the connection between dishonest POLITICANS and FRAUD

WASTE and ABUSE of FUNDS hurting taxpayers and loyal EMPLOYEES noe

RETIRED.

TAVERAS and CICILLINE are not HONEST PEOPLE

Donna Day

Mark

Thank You for keeping it in the Public's Eye

It is a Public Service to us all and I and my Family

Thank You




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