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Former US Education Official Rips Commissioner Gist & RI’s Reform Efforts

Friday, June 22, 2012

 

A former assistant U.S. Secretary of Education is taking Education Commissioner Deborah Gist to task for implementing reform efforts that focus too heavily on test scores and teacher evaluation and not enough on the burdens imposed by poverty.

In a wide-ranging interview with GoLocalProv, Dr. Diane Ravitch, who has become one of the loudest critics of charter schools and the Race to the Top program in the country, said too many educators are currently emphasizing high-stakes test scores and supporting charter schools while failing to address the problems public school teachers face every day.

Ravitch’s comments came days after she posted an item on her blog titled, “Is Rhode Island the Worst State?” in response to local teachers who have written to her about the state “rapidly deteriorating in its commitment to public education.”

In the short post, Ravitch discussed Rhode Island’s Race to the Top efforts, the attempt to woo the Achievement First charter management organization to the state and Gist’s role on a national education reform group known as Chiefs for Change.

“I personally don’t think Rhode Island is the worst state, as compared to states like Louisiana, Ohio, Michigan, Florida, and Indiana,” she wrote. “But it deserves credit for moving in the same direction and seeking to earn its spurs in the competition for worst.”

Negative Consequences for High-Stakes Tests

Ravitch, who was appointed an assistant Secretary of Education by George H.W. Bush, was once known as a leading reformer who favored the charter school movement across the country, but has since changed her tune and started leading a charge against what she considers efforts to privatize public education.

Last May, Ravitch and Gist had a public falling out after she felt slighted by the Commissioner during a visit to the Ocean State. In a letter published on her blog, Ravitch criticized Gist for constantly interrupting her during a short meeting. She also demanded an apology from the Commissioner.

But the issue was put to rest after Gist sent a letter to Ravitch that cleared the air.

That changed this week.

Asked specifically what she feels Gist is doing wrong in Rhode Island, Ravitch focused mostly on the emphasis of test scores. She said that when stakes attached to tests get too high, the measures are “corrupted and become meaningless.”

“Tests should be used for information and diagnosis, to help students and teachers, but at present they are being used for high-stakes purposes,” she said. “That gives them far too much importance and leads to negative consequences, such as narrowing the curriculum, gaming the system, teaching to the test, and even cheating.”

Ravitch pointed to several states that have attempted to remove job protections from teachers and tried to make them fearful for their jobs, which she believes has led to “massive demoralization” among the nation's teachers.

“That's bad for the profession and bad for students,” Ravitch said. “We must stop the negative talk and the blaming of teachers and make conscious efforts to give them the respect they deserve.”

Gist Pushes Forward

Despite Ravitch’s pointed criticism, Gist did not wish to comment for this story.

“The Commissioner has a lot of important issues before her and would not want to concern herself with a response to these remarks,” spokesman Elliot Krieger said.

Gist has remained popular among education reformers in the state and has developed a strong relationship with Governor Lincoln Chafee despite their differing views on public education. Chafee was elected thanks in large part to the support of teachers unions who have never seen eye to eye with Gist.

Gist has earned national praise for her efforts to turn around Rhode Island’s underperforming schools. Since coming to the state, Gist helped the state pass an education funding formula, led the charge to win a $75 million Race to the Top grant and implemented a stronger teacher evaluation system.

During her State of Education speech last month, she emphasized the fact that for the first time last year, Rhode Island students surpassed national averages on the Nation’s Report Card. She also said the state has steadily improved in other national rankings.

But Ravitch maintains that Gist’s crowning achievement — a robust teacher evaluation system— places too much of an emphasis on test scores. That methodology, promoted by Race to the Top, has never been validated, she said.

“States across the nation are imposing this untried and inaccurate way of measuring teacher quality, and teachers are rightfully angry because they know that many if not most of the reasons scores go up or down are outside their direct control,” Ravitch said. “The methods now in use are inaccurate, unreliable and unstable. Of course, this is one of the elements of Rhode Island’s Race to the Top plan.”

Race to the Top a Bad Idea

Ravitch said leaders have a responsibility to fix what is not working and to do what it takes to help schools succeed. She said building a strong sense of community and collaboration and making sure that the resources are there to do what students need should be the primary focus.

She also said she believes history will show Race to the Top was a bad idea.

“They will wonder: Why were we racing? What is the top? And whatever happened to equality of educational opportunity,” she said. “And why was so much effort expended to test so much? And why did we drive away so many experienced teachers? And didn't anyone wonder about the harm they were doing to our public school system by diverting hundreds of millions--no, billions--of dollars to private management companies?”



Dan McGowan can be reached at dmcgowan@golocalprov.com.

 

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Comments:

Roger Williams

Well, Dr. Ravitch, as well as the system of letting the teacher's unions run our schools with barely any metrics applied to measuring the quality of the jobs teachers are doing was working, some (probably crazy) people think things like standardized testing actually are useful for determining what society can consider a base set of acquired knowledge, and from that, judge how well teachers are doing to make sure their students learn this common body of knowledge.

Are standardized tests the sole measure of academic acheivement? No, but they're far better than the methods preferred by the unions, and if we're scaring off so many experienced teachers, maybe it's not the end of the world, as long as we're replacing them with teachers who care more about how much their students are learning than they are with strategizing their next contract talks.

Jeffrey deckman

At least Gist is moving the needle.

Other than complain, talk and demand apologies for having her feelings hurt what has Radich done?

It's always easy to complain about what the people who are in arena are doing when you're sitting in the stands eating popcorn and yelling at the athletes.

If Radich was so smart she would have gotten hired by someone by now.

Harriet Lloyd

This is clearly the same old shrill union rhetoric that leaves children in the dust - the only recourse for those who do not perform their work well is to allege that the evaluations are faulty. Ravitch and her ilk are incapable of considering the welfare of children; it's all about how much more they can wring out of taxpayers to feather their already bloated nests. Disgusting, as usual. We are fortunate to have Commissioner Gist here - she scares the daylights out of hacks like Ravitch, whose days are rapidly ending.

Chris MacWilliams

Being a sanctuary state is very costly in many ways.

Aaron Regunberg

Harriet, I'm surprised with the vehemence of your hatred. There are so many cases of these kinds of value-added evaluations being meaningless or incorrect--what is your evidence for saying those who critique them are doing so only because they can't perform their work well? Or is it just a completely baseless opinion? Also...do you really think that schoolteachers care only about "how much more they can wring out of taxpayers to feather their already bloated nests?" Seriously? I don't know how it's even possible to say that about people who work for below the market-value of their services (teaching is the least-compensated of any professions that require masters-degrees) to teach children every day. As far as Ravitch, the only time she was earning taxpayer dollars was when she was advocating for these neoliberal reforms under George H. W. Bush, before she realized how incredibly destructive they are.

Eloise O'Shea-Wyatt

Instead of blaming teachers and their unions the misinformed public needs to understand who makes the decisions and the rules. Hiring is done by administration, and rules and decisions are made by politicians and administrators. Now those same people are selling off public schools to private corporations.
"Bad teachers" is just scapegoating and a smokescreen for the theft of our public schools and our tax dollars. This will be a disaster as big as our economic disaster. It is the same people engineering it.

Harriet Lloyd

I should have been more specific, I am referring to the bloated nests of the overpaid, greedy union leadership, not the teachers who are so poorly served by them. I know many public school teachers - some relatives - who are disgusted by the union they are forced to belong to. They want the freedom to opt out of automatic pay deductions to belong to unions that prevent them from going the 'extra mile' for their students. The tired mantra of 'Don't Blame the Teachers' is wearing thin on everyone. If the teachers want to be freed from the union reputation, they should support legislation that will make membership optional.

Todd B

Didn't we just hear that Wisconsin was the worst state for education?

Bernie McCrink

People ought to realize the least culpable persons in the whole scenario are the teachers. For the most part, they show up every day to deal face-to-face with the students in question. Everything done by politicians and administrators is nothing but a dog and pony show. They deal hardly at all with educating any kids directly. They just sit back, arrange press releases, and try to paint a picture portraying themselves as looking out for the kids when all they are doing is looking out for themselves. They'll even admit (privately) what a sham the whole thing is once they are retired.

Russ C

Process improvement best practices are clear on this one. You can have management by objective or process improvement, not both. As for testing, see Campbell's Law.

http://dianeravitch.net/2012/05/25/what-is-campbells-law/

But, hey, what do all those process improvement experts know anyway? Surely RI will prove them all wrong.

John Waddington

How many bad teachers had Ghist fired ?
0.0

She has failed. She is one of them.
The teachers have failed to clean up their act.
Don't let the teachers fool you, they run the system from top to bottom.

It's time to get rid of Ghist and bring in a non-teacher management to run the system.

Joseph Fazio

This is the best part about this state. The village idiots come out in force to blame teachers for everything under the sun. Please point to one thing that Gist has done to improve the education in this state. I haven't seen a single program, project, activity, or idea that has come form the wonder girl. She is a tool of the cardboard cut out program at the Broad Institute and relies on her personal relationship with Arne Duncan to get flash cash to prove herself. She dandles money in front of school committees to get them to change to her tune. Go ahead RI and line up to whack the teachers. The surprise will come when you have temps and replacements for the professionals that were trained to be teachers. But then again you like that model - line them up and fire them. I would like to see the quality of teaching you get for $7.50 an hour.

Fabiano Terrenni

"Gist’s crowning achievement — a robust teacher evaluation system"

Really? I thought it was a mechanism for the taxpayers to fund the research for Gist's PhD..Which RI Taxpayers are also funding!!

When is the Press going to check this out?

When is someone going to actually research Gist and her "record" in DC.

The RTTT money? She has spent close to $24 million of it on contractors and consultants!

Ed Jucation

So I guess my comment was considered spam and wasn't posted..Unique way of censoring me.

Fabiano Terrenni

Ed Jucation

"So I guess my comment was considered spam and wasn't posted..Unique way of censoring me."

Are you sure you pressed the "Submit Comment" button?

I've never had GoLocal fail to post any of my comments...

David Axelson

Research shows (Marzano, Reeves, Schmoker...) That the number one factor that affects student achievement (including test scores) is what the clasroom teacher does or does not do on a dayly basis. To assert that "teachers are rightfully angry because they know that many if not most of the reasons scores go up or down are outside their direct control,” is disingenuous at best. The "robust" teacher evaluation system might be the best thing to happen for Rhode Island education in recent times.

Thoughtful One

There is a difference between blaming teachers and blaming unions. Blaming all teachers is ludicrous, blaming the union has merit. But what also is even more important is looking at the entire problem. So many "finger pointers" see so little because they're always looking down their index finger.

Todd B

No, the number one factor that affects student achievement is the home life of the student.

That's what makes much of the education argument ridiculous. You can put below average teachers in Barrington and the kids living there will still perform above average. And you could be above average teachers in Central Falls and the kids there will still perform below average.

The idea that paying teachers more money will bring better results is silly. So is the idea that teachers are solely responsible for the poor performance of students.

Teachers should be paid enough to draw competent people to the profession and school administrations should have the ability to fire incompetent teachers.

Carol DeFeciani

For all you Gist lovers - the girl did not even have her degree when Donald Duck Carcieri hired her.

She's also part of a conservative right-wing group headed by none other than Jeb Bush (and his pals that corrupted the FL elections) and a long line of right wing buddies from all the right schools with the token black and latino thrown in for good measure. Another of whom was investigated by the SEC fior insider trading. The other states who are members include some of the worst for education in the country -- Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee.

http://www.excelined.org/Pages/Excellence_in_Action/Chiefs_for_Change.aspx

Gist wants to destroy the American public school system - she does not want to improve it. She's out to make money for her Charter School supporters; she'll get the payola. She's a player - not a TEACHER!!

Wuggly Ump

Todd B has it right, home situation has more to do with it than teachers.
As far as poverty and education there's not much we can do. Yes it makes a difference but student performance has more to do with how involved the parents are. It just happens that many times those living in poverty don't take responsibility for themselves never mind their kids.

Jason Demers

Tired of Neo-Conservative Thought Police!

All these drones do is mimic the DOGMA of Pro-corporate, anti-union AUTOCRATS who, by the way, should be blamed for any BAD GOVERNMENT because they OWN IT (legal bribes)!

OPEN your minds to what you DO KNOW. SOCIETY has CHANGED -- for the worse!! Morals, ethics (especially work ethic), self-motivation, respect for others, imagination (the building blocks of good child rearing)are woefully MISSING in too many youths of today!! Guess whose JOB is on the line if these kids don't study for their tests? Yup. teachers!

IF you can get past your hatred of public workers (teachers), unions and government, you may actually be able to support TRUE REFORM that will move the ball forward.

John

Captain Blacksocks

I recently spoke to a RI teach who has been in the system for over 20 years. She's not a great fan of Ms. Gist, due to all the focus on test scores and not factoring in that some classrooms/communities have more than their share of low performing students. However, the same teacher admits that in all her 20 years of teaching she has NEVER ONCE seen a teacher fired for poor job performance. It just does not happen because of extreme union protection. Even the worst teachers cannot be removed, unless for some outrageous act like assualting a student, and even then it is very rare to see any teacher removed. Public sector employees simply operate on a different planet where all is forgiven and jobs are forever and pensions are glorious. Fire a few bad teachers once in a while and maybe things will improve in these schools.

John Waddington

Right Wing in rhode island LOL
Surely you are on drugs.

Fabiano Terrenni

David Axelson

"The "robust" teacher evaluation system might be the best thing to happen for Rhode Island education in recent times."

Obviously you are not aware that Gist' Ri Model is nothing more than a "paperwork drill" Total BS....

In addition to being evaluated on their teaching ability, teachers are now also being rated on their "participation" in school activities.

Gist is a total fraud who is using taxpayers $$ to fund her PhD research. When is the Press going to investigate her spending and how this all ties in to her PhD!

dis gusted

Todd B you got it right…Your words ring the truth. As for you, Axleson, you
are sadly misinformed. The teacher is not the only factor to determine student achievement. You are clueless to quote your hero who says “that the number one factor that affects student achievement (including test scores) is what the classroom teacher does or does not do on a dayly basis.” (First of all try learning how to spell or use spell check…it is D A I LY!) Not so.
You also say "teachers are rightfully angry because they know that many if not most of the reasons scores go up or down are outside their direct control.”
Yes, it is out of their control. Day to day contact can help some students with stability. They know the classroom is a warm place where they will get fed. It beats living in a cold house with no heat and with very little food.
If you were in a classroom to observe rather than criticizing from outside the box, you would know that there are a variety of other factors. You have the student who is never there…They go back to their native country for months at a time only to return when it’s high stakes testing time! You have students who are tardy quite frequently; you have students living in poverty; students in low socio economic areas where education is not stressed; students whose parents feel that “the almighty dollar” nd working is more important (not everyone thinks like you--that education is the key to successful achievement)
As for the evaluation tool, you again are clueless to think that high stakes testing added to a teacher’s evaluation is a true indication of a teacher’s effectiveness or of a student’s real progress-- especially if the youngster is sick, had a bad day, did not eat a good breakfast or had a good night’s sleep or just returned from being in his/her native country for months, or had a personal home problem on his/her mind…..
There are no studies to prove your absurd assertions. Try reading “real” studies and research and sites like Education Week and not propaganda from your hero, Marzano, who was an English teacher in 1967 in New York City public schools and now he’s co-founder and CEO of Marzano Research Laboratory in Englewood, Colo. doing research.
What he says about evaluations is not the case. There are no checklists. Teachers are evaluated by the very things he talks about such as student questioning techniques, setting clear learning goals and monitoring students’ progress toward that goal, establishing and maintaining classroom rules/procedures, etc.
This is the evaluation that teachers currently have. Your idol is a fool to say that his model is different from the common “checklist approach” to evaluation, and apparently has not been in a classroom since his English teaching days in 1967 or he would have known checklists are gone by the wayside like Sputnik, the Mustang and Gunsmoke!!!!
Principals and other administrators do pay particular attention to how teachers are progressing and of course there is feedback provided. There is always need for improvement…in every job and in every career not just in teaching.
Read authenticated sites that will tell you that the best education countries in the world like Finland & Korea, Singapore & China and don’t participate in high stakes testing AT ALL!
And I bet you did not know this fact: In Finland and Singapore, teachers are one hundred percent unionized. This is not controversial in those countries. The unions and ministries of education share collaborative, positive relationships.
No high-performing nation in the world does year-to-year testing. In fact, in every high-performing nation, tests are embedded in the wiring of schools - particularly in high schools. In the developed world, 76 percent of students attend high schools that use standardized tests …not high stakes testing attached to an evaluation. These countries know the foolishness of the called US school reformers. They know that nine years of No Child Left Behind has caused cheating,
teaching to the test, and the greatest tragedy of all…the slowing of the rate of American student achievement.

dis gusted

And Fabiano, Boy, did you hit the nail on the head concerning the RI Model by Gist...It is nothing but a pile of paperwork.This takes away from valuable teaching time. Paperwork is what keeps Gist in her job! But now that the RI taxpayers have paid for her PhD, she will want to move on ...

dis gusted

And to Jeffrey Deckman. are you really that clueless?
You must have been on some other planet to say these words:
"It's always easy to complain about what the people who are in arena are doing when you're sitting in the stands eating popcorn and yelling at the athletes.If Radich was so smart she would have gotten hired by someone by now."

Before you make a complete idiot of yourself try researching her background.You claim she is not hired by anyone?? Your ignorance certainly shows...
She has never stopped working.
Diane Ravitch is Research Professor of Education at New York University and a historian of education. In addition, she is a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings .She was Assistant Secretary of Education and Counselor to Secretary of Education Lamar Alexander in the administration of President George H.W. Bush. She was responsible for the Office of Educational Research and Improvement in the U.S. Department of Education. As Assistant Secretary, she led the federal effort to promote the creation of voluntary state and national academic standards. She has written 10 books and currently writes educational blogs.

dis gusted

And to Jeffrey Deckman. are you really that clueless?
You must have been on some other planet to say these words:
"It's always easy to complain about what the people who are in arena are doing when you're sitting in the stands eating popcorn and yelling at the athletes.If Radich was so smart she would have gotten hired by someone by now."

Before you make a complete idiot of yourself try researching her background.You claim she is not hired by anyone?? Your ignorance certainly shows...
She has never stopped working.
Diane Ravitch is Research Professor of Education at New York University and a historian of education. In addition, she is a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings .She was Assistant Secretary of Education and Counselor to Secretary of Education Lamar Alexander in the administration of President George H.W. Bush. She was responsible for the Office of Educational Research and Improvement in the U.S. Department of Education. As Assistant Secretary, she led the federal effort to promote the creation of voluntary state and national academic standards. She has written 10 books and currently writes educational blogs.

Mark Wood

Dear Mr or Ms Defaciani:

I don't understand your comment about the "girl" not having a degree when she arrived in Rhode island. Deborah Gist and I were classmates at the Harvard Kennedy School. (Master in Public Administration, 2000) It's worth noting that she was one of 10 members of the class selected by the faculty for distinction in academic achievement and community service.

Most people consider Harvard University a legitimate degree granting institution.

Fabiano Terrenni

Mr Wood,

I believe he/she was probably referring to the fact that Gist didn't have a PhD and it is the taxpayers of RI that funded her getting it.

Just as they have funded the data collection for her "RI Model Evaluation System" which is nothing more than research for her PhD...

As for Harvard, was she still in DC at the time, i.e on a sabbatical, and the funding for her studies came from the DC Department of Ed or a Federal Grant?

Gist is GREAT at PR, especially if she is using OPM!!!

Keep drinking the Kool Aid!

I stand by my previous statement that she is a fraud and a charlatan!

Carol DeFeciani

Mr Wood: She showed up in RI without a PhD.

Didn't they teach you how to do reasearch at Harvard?




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